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devonwoody
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:43 am Post subject: Forum attitudes lately Reply with quote

I would like to bring to the attention of the moderators and others a situation that is arising imho on the forum lately.

This morning I received a personal email saying that its writer was not posting or visiting the forum in the near future. This was intimated because other forum members are posting very abrupt replies and provocative responses to others postings.

I sympathised with his mail and asked that he remain and post in his normal way because without the membership remaining stable it would come perhaps to a situation where only the bolshie responding members were left if all followed his example.

The forum would then be a less friendly and informative place to visit.

Please treat this posting in a friendly manner and not give me too much stick.
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xy mosian
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I fully agree with what I think is your underlying point.

Personally I was brought up with " If you can't think of anything nice/good to say, say nowt ". This seems to work .. for me at least.

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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

No stick from me. I've also noticed a lot of uneccessary (IMVHO) snipes and snarls recently.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree DW and you may have seen I posted a suggestion in the improvements area. Some positive response and some degenerating into drivel.

I can only assume it's a bit of cabin fever after everyone has been cooped up during a long hard winter. There's a good episode of Northern Exposure from the 1st series where they all kept picking fights with each other at the end of the winter. They cured it by having a nude run down the street at the beginning of spring, not sure that would work here!
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree DW. I think some of the attitudes the Forum has adopted recently leave a lot to be desired.
Someone should take the Forum to one side and give it a Jolly Good Talking to.
It really is unacceptable.
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newt
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree some replies have been quite worrying, I can only assume that the recession and the cold winter is having its effect on folk.
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TrimTheKing
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

There has been a real noticeable decline in the content and context of a lot of posts recently and it's a real shame.

I joined this forum in 2007 and from the off was massively impressed with the overall friendliness of the place compared to other 'younger' forums I frequented. Just recently, I would say over the past 6 months, I have really noticed the kind of behaviours that made me leave other forums starting to creep in.

I'm not some kind of super sensitive tree hugger, this is more about actually having an interest in what people are getting up to, how they do it and broadening my woodworking horizons and having a finite amount of free time. I don't therefore want to have to spend that time trawling through pages of sniping, sarcasm and 'my way is right, anything else and you're a d!ck' kind of bullsh!t.

It's a real shame as we have seen a good number of extremely knowledgable posters disappear in the time since I joined, and from what I can tell most of these have been because of puerile comments escalating. It's a real shame.

Just my 2p's worth.
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matt
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just human interaction as far I can tell, albeit forums are like driving where everyone is in their own little bubble being "right" and faultless. The cold weather and absence of much else going on leads to posts that are started to express an opinion and/or gripes rather than problems that need solving.

I can't say I'm overly worried about it though, even if some members are taking some time out - the latter is probably quite a healthy thing to do and really not the end of the world. This is just a forum.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I think on the whole the forum went and does go quite well. Except we now seem to have trigger happy Mods, who just can't help themselves!
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mr grimsdale
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:00 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

TBH threads like this one can put people off - all that low level wittering and griping.
Talk about woodwork instead!

PS the thing that will most put (grown-up) people off on this forum is the arbitrary deletion and locking of threads. Like being back in junior school!
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:14 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said in another thread recently, even I have decided to distance myself from the forum a little. These things come and go. As proved today, we have an underlying body of strong relationships which hold this forum together. I just hope this current spell doesn't cause more valuable members to leave. I'm not going to blame the moderators for what's happening, but I do think the man at the top needs to get involved. Only he can call order IMHO.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I joined this forum when another forum was going through a similar patch with one or two individuals causing unnecessary unpleasantness. Those issues are now resolved and although I have in the main returned to frequent that other forum I still post here occasionally and am saddened to see this kind of behaviour here.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

Brittleheart wrote:
I joined this forum when another forum was going through a similar patch with one or two individuals causing unnecessary unpleasantness. Those issues are now resolved and although I have in the main returned to frequent that other forum I still post here occasionally and am saddened to see this kind of behaviour here.


I've been here for five years and at a guess I'd say this has happened three times. The first 18-24months were fine, a really friendly place. It's what endeared me to it. But 'we' got into the habit of occasionally being curt with one and other and it just escalates until, I'm sure, some people are posting just for a certain response or using subtleties to cause heat.

I do believe it will die off, as long as the majority of us can realise it's happening and back off a bit til it blows over. If there's no fuel, there's no fire.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:32 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

I find the constant whingeing, with a fair smattering of hypocrisy, from a tiny minority, as off putting as the inferred problems.

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I can't say I'm overly worried about it though, even if some members are taking some time out - the latter is probably quite a healthy thing to do and really not the end of the world. This is just a forum.


Prezactly Right. It's just a Forum, albeit a good one, where views and counter views should be able to be freely expressed. Not one where a minority demands that things be done their way or not at all.
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Mike.C
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

studders wrote:
I find the constant whingeing, with a fair smattering of hypocrisy, from a tiny minority, as off putting as the inferred problems.

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I can't say I'm overly worried about it though, even if some members are taking some time out - the latter is probably quite a healthy thing to do and really not the end of the world. This is just a forum.


Prezactly Right. It's just a Forum, albeit a good one, where views and counter views should be able to be freely expressed. Not one where a minority demands that things be done their way or not at all.


Spot on, but I think that if members are demanding for threads to be locked it is going to cause even more bad feeling. All it takes is one or two people who have taken a dislike to another member/s to wind things up on his/their thread/s and the thread is locked.
In the first place wouldn't it be better for the moderators to have a quite word with the trouble maker via pm, before drastic action is taken?

Cheers

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